The insinuation here is that there are those who have come here illegally. And they are getting a hand out. Never taking into account the circumstances that may have brought them here. This is a question that sits well with a part of American society that knows very little about the broader world outside the USA.
Perhaps you can explain to me how this is such a logical question. What is the logic if I may ask? The Boo-Yah supreme satisfaction of the conclusion of this video is lost on me. It seems that the reporter asking the question about giving people that came to America the wrong way are getting a handout and those who come here the right way don’t. To me he is clearly using his moment as a member of the free press to promote an attitude of hatred towards outsiders.
It is a question posed with no pretense of objectivity. It is a bated question “those who came here the right way”. This is clearly not an information gathering point of view.
I wonder how native American feel about all this stuff about who got here the right way. You know some of the first Europeans to settle in North America were fleeing persecution. They were seeking to escape oppression in there native land. When the Europeans became numerous enough they began taking the land and water and everything else from the Indians by way of deceit, disease and violence. The Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek and others were driven from their homelands in Florida, South Carolina and Georgia at gun point and marched to where they are now on reservation land in Oklahoma. Even now there are men who would like their heritage to be erased from the face of the earth.
The logic I hear in that reporter’s question is the logic of white supremacy, which is intellectually vacant. The tone of the video is quite trite and formulaic. Show an exchange where someone uses innuendo and baited language where he or she seems to have outmaneuvered their adversary with what passes for some people as logic and Bam, we own the libs! But really what is the logic you speak of in this video? I see the logic of when I make remarks about people coming to America the “right way” is certainly aimed at people who are poor and not white. He doesn’t mention race of course and the logic a racist uses today is whoever mentions race first in a debate about immigration is the racist. This is of course illogical. It’s like when someone speaks disparagingly about Israeli abuses of Palestinians and is called anti Semitic.
This video is seen as humorous by many of course because of the ending. But that is where racial prejudice is sold to the unindoctrinated. I used to laugh myself at jokes directed at black people, or jews etc. And when someone doesn’t laugh they are told to lighten up, it’s just a joke. If you don’t laugh you are mocked. You are enticed to get in on the joke. But if someone is a true believer in whit supremacy and they get rebuked enough times for jokes and the “oh come on lighten up” doesn’t work. Then a more humorless form of mockery ensues. Because if a real racist is challenged on the logic of their belief the logic soon gives way to emotion because at its root white supremacy has no basis in logic, or evidence or proof. It is based in paranoia and insecurity and usually accompanied by a healthy dose of low self esteem.
The usual pattern when confronting hardcore white supremacists is humor, then coercion, then mockery, then threats, then violence. Threats and violence are the give aways that tell you their beliefs have no logic to support them.
The logic that is so obvious to many who enjoyed this video is they have a preconceived notion about who is getting into America illegally. And who is protecting them in their view. It’s an inside joke. Even though he never makes a clear case for his position, the insinuation is enough for the audience he is speaking to. It is an audience who gets the dog whistle he is using, they also know to question the motives of anyone who mentions it. Either you agree with his disingenuous question or you are offended if it is brought up by someone who doesn’t like it. What is so logical about his question? Can you tell me without getting offended?
What else is logical about that question is it makes it easier to dehumanize others. Others who might be seeking refuge from oppression like the pilgrams, or violence or some other kind of cruelty. It’s the kind of logic that plays into making it easier to be OK with putting people in cages for crossing the border illegally. Or for taking children away from parents who were “illegals”. It is the logic that allows us to care a little less about unfortunate people in or outside of our own country. Identity politics at its finest. It’s the logic that plays to the fear that “others” are going to one day do to the “real Americans” what they had done to the original inhabitants of this continent. What is the real America? What is so logical about that question? Please tell me.
American exceptionalism is a myth. There are lessons from history, particularly Roman history and 1933 – 1940’s Germany that are relavent to 21rst century America. One of the things that made American a 20th century economic powerhouse was the high taxation on the super wealthy. By contstricting the ability of private wealth to grow unchecked.Thus preserving the ability of new capital growth new competition to the market place. This enabled a vibrant, dynamic society, a strong middle class and a government that was able to invest in space programs, preserving the environment and growing an equality oriented society. The private sector has little interest in creating this type of society. The bottom line is When individual wealth grows to gigantic proportions, the cohesivness of the state no longer matters to them. This is what undid the Roman Republic and it became a dictatorship. America is flirting with the same dynamic today. By rolling back taxation on the super wealthy we are undoing ourselves.
The role the United States has played in destabilizing various parts of the world never occurs to them.
The only logic I can see here is the logic of spreading hate.
The insinuation here is that there are those who have come here illegally. And they are getting a hand out. Never taking into account the circumstances that may have brought them here. This is a question that sits well with a part of American society that knows very little about the broader world outside the USA.
Perhaps you can explain to me how this is such a logical question. What is the logic if I may ask? The Boo-Yah supreme satisfaction of the conclusion of this video is lost on me. It seems that the reporter asking the question about giving people that came to America the wrong way are getting a handout and those who come here the right way don’t. To me he is clearly using his moment as a member of the free press to promote an attitude of hatred towards outsiders.
It is a question posed with no pretense of objectivity. It is a bated question “those who came here the right way”. This is clearly not an information gathering point of view.
I wonder how native American feel about all this stuff about who got here the right way. You know some of the first Europeans to settle in North America were fleeing persecution. They were seeking to escape oppression in there native land. When the Europeans became numerous enough they began taking the land and water and everything else from the Indians by way of deceit, disease and violence. The Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek and others were driven from their homelands in Florida, South Carolina and Georgia at gun point and marched to where they are now on reservation land in Oklahoma. Even now there are men who would like their heritage to be erased from the face of the earth.
The logic I hear in that reporter’s question is the logic of white supremacy, which is intellectually vacant. The tone of the video is quite trite and formulaic. Show an exchange where someone uses innuendo and baited language where he or she seems to have outmaneuvered their adversary with what passes for some people as logic and Bam, we own the libs! But really what is the logic you speak of in this video? I see the logic of when I make remarks about people coming to America the “right way” is certainly aimed at people who are poor and not white. He doesn’t mention race of course and the logic a racist uses today is whoever mentions race first in a debate about immigration is the racist. This is of course illogical. It’s like when someone speaks disparagingly about Israeli abuses of Palestinians and is called anti Semitic.
This video is seen as humorous by many of course because of the ending. But that is where racial prejudice is sold to the unindoctrinated. I used to laugh myself at jokes directed at black people, or jews etc. And when someone doesn’t laugh they are told to lighten up, it’s just a joke. If you don’t laugh you are mocked. You are enticed to get in on the joke. But if someone is a true believer in whit supremacy and they get rebuked enough times for jokes and the “oh come on lighten up” doesn’t work. Then a more humorless form of mockery ensues. Because if a real racist is challenged on the logic of their belief the logic soon gives way to emotion because at its root white supremacy has no basis in logic, or evidence or proof. It is based in paranoia and insecurity and usually accompanied by a healthy dose of low self esteem.
The usual pattern when confronting hardcore white supremacists is humor, then coercion, then mockery, then threats, then violence. Threats and violence are the give aways that tell you their beliefs have no logic to support them.
The logic that is so obvious to many who enjoyed this video is they have a preconceived notion about who is getting into America illegally. And who is protecting them in their view. It’s an inside joke. Even though he never makes a clear case for his position, the insinuation is enough for the audience he is speaking to. It is an audience who gets the dog whistle he is using, they also know to question the motives of anyone who mentions it. Either you agree with his disingenuous question or you are offended if it is brought up by someone who doesn’t like it. What is so logical about his question? Can you tell me without getting offended?
What else is logical about that question is it makes it easier to dehumanize others. Others who might be seeking refuge from oppression like the pilgrams, or violence or some other kind of cruelty. It’s the kind of logic that plays into making it easier to be OK with putting people in cages for crossing the border illegally. Or for taking children away from parents who were “illegals”. It is the logic that allows us to care a little less about unfortunate people in or outside of our own country. Identity politics at its finest. It’s the logic that plays to the fear that “others” are going to one day do to the “real Americans” what they had done to the original inhabitants of this continent. What is the real America? What is so logical about that question? Please tell me.
American exceptionalism is a myth. There are lessons from history, particularly Roman history and 1933 – 1940’s Germany that are relavent to 21rst century America. One of the things that made American a 20th century economic powerhouse was the high taxation on the super wealthy. By contstricting the ability of private wealth to grow unchecked.Thus preserving the ability of new capital growth new competition to the market place. This enabled a vibrant, dynamic society, a strong middle class and a government that was able to invest in space programs, preserving the environment and growing an equality oriented society. The private sector has little interest in creating this type of society. The bottom line is When individual wealth grows to gigantic proportions, the cohesivness of the state no longer matters to them. This is what undid the Roman Republic and it became a dictatorship. America is flirting with the same dynamic today. By rolling back taxation on the super wealthy we are undoing ourselves.
The role the United States has played in destabilizing various parts of the world never occurs to them.